Dunno why but I always wanted to live somewhere without electricity. Then as soon as I moved to a house without any i started trying to either make it or find alternatives. The first place I moved to in 1985 was heated by a rayburn, lit by tilley lamps, and we had a gas fridge. It wasn’t long before the then OH started to complain about washing everything in the bath and drying it over the rayburn. So not knowing any better I went out and bought a 2.5kw Petter diesel engine to run the washing machine, of course now we had a washing machine then why not get a TV! and whilst the genny is running we could watch TV and charge batteries to run a radio, CB, 12v lights for the dark mornings etc. This of course was completely useless because I was trying to use car/tractor/lorry or whatever batteries and as I now know (after 15 years of trying) that they are totally unsuitable. Starter batteries are just not suitable for constant cycling (charge and discharge)
In 1989 I moved here, again with no mains but at least the house had a genny and was properly wired. It was a trusty lister SR1 3kw Startomatic, though it didn’t actually work and even when had it rewired it would only stopomatic. This meant i had to go and start it by hand (100yds away) then if I went round the house and switched everything off it might (if it was in a good mood ) switch off. The problem was that on a windy night you could not actually be sure it was off!
Here’s the old girl, 1969 and whilst a bit smoky will still do a turn. These old listers will run forever but when I started to fish for crab and lobster it just was not man enough for the 5 freezers so i purchased a newer larger one. Well it was a 1974 so was only around 20 years old and came from an estate down loch Hourn way where it had run 12 hours a day from new and still not had the heads off (still hasn’t). The old twin still runs sweet as a nut though she’s not been used in anger for a few years now. To avoid running these more than necessary i repaired an old Rutland FM910 that had been left here by the previous owner, I made a big tall mast and a huge battery bank from tractor batteries (i still hadn’t learned about batteries)
I had a 12v volt ring main in the house with fluorescent tubes for lighting. It worked quite well but knowing very little about electrickery I used cable that was too light (taken me 15 years to work this out) also as previously mentioned I was using the wrong batteries but despite all this it worked very well.
Having said that i wouldn’t recommend the Rutland, the only reason mine’s still going is because i had a pile of scrap ones to salvage. About three years ago due to increased usage and spiraling fuel costs we decided to buy a proper wind turbine so after much research we went for a ‘Proven 2.5kw’ now this cost us an arm and a leg and we could have got some Chinese job for a fraction of the cost but we live in a very windy remote spot so i wanted something reliable and the ‘Proven’ is certainly that, being a downwind turbine it continues to produce full output when most others have turned out of the wind or put the brakes on. However it does have a higher start up speed and can take a wee bit longer to find the wind.
This is it going up a couple of years ago.
and this is my mate Willy just making sure the cables don’t get trapped.
The turbine charges a bank of 48v lead acid fork lift truck batteries of around 1000ah capacity.
The 48v dc is then converted to 230vac by this inverter.
And when the wind don’t blow for a few days this beauty fires up automatically and charges up the battery bank. This fine piece of kit is a Lister HR2 12kw genny it’s a 1978 and has only done 500hours! when I bought it it only had 60 hours on it as it was a mains failure set from a satellite tracking station.
Since this was originally posted on the 1st of Jan 2008 I’ve added a small Navitron 200w hydro turbine model number ‘XJ14-0.2DCT4-Z’
This wee turbine is designed to produce 200w at 230v from around 5lts a sec at around 12m of head. My head is much higher at 40+m but my flow can be as little as .5lt per sec so I’ve reduced the jet size from 18mm to 7.5 which seems to give me about 140w at flows down to 1lt per sec but I’m still experimenting.
22nd September 2008
A solar panel at last! I added a ‘BP Solar’ 50w panel today and linked it into my 12v battery bank
It will put out almost 3 amps in full sun but even at lower levels it’s doing something

Hydro turbine panel, the top one is battery bank voltage, the middle hertz, which is a great way of checking the turbines speed and load, the bottom one is the turbine voltage and the one on the right DC amps though I’ve since replaced it with a digital one as the analogue one was sticking. It does in fact put a steady 1.75 amps into the 48v bank and around 4 amps into the 12v bank plus it runs a couple of 21w CFLs.

Hydro panel
Here’s the turbine in action without its cover on
200w turbine


Hydro header tank
And this is the other end of the pipe, basically a 25 gallon galvanized water tank with an old washing machine drum inside as a filter. The screen on top catches most of the crap and when the burn is in spate it gets washed off. The outlet to the turbine is about two thirds the way up the tank so sediment lies in the bottom and the excess just overflows. This is it during a frosty dry spell running at its minimum of around 1lt per second, usually it’s gushing out of that old BT duct at 10lts per second!












Hey paul
will try and figure out how to do a link…. If you are good with this website stuff call by and you can help me… Saw your pigs today they are so cool
Roland
Comment by Roland — January 20, 2008 @ 3:45 pm
Welcome
I am from Poland Heniek
wants to find out how does this turbine navitron
the efficiency with which they manage to obtain
XJ14-0.2DCT4-Z
Comment by Henryk Faron — March 21, 2009 @ 7:18 am
Hi Henryk from Poland,
I’m not really sure about the efficiency of the turbine at converting the power from the water into electricity if that is what you mean, It’s a ‘turgo runner’ so I guess around 90%. The overall efficiency depends on your frictional losses in the pennstock pipe and resistive losses in your electrical cable which can be reduced by larger pipes and bigger cables.
Good luck, Paul
Comment by lifeattheendoftheroad — March 21, 2009 @ 8:59 pm
What make is your water turbine ? It reminds me of a Canadian one i see on the web. It is expensive but seems very adaptable from the nozzle aspect. Most others seem to be high head/low flow or low head highish flow with nothing in between. To just generate 100 – 200 W 24/7 seems ideal. What voltage do you use on it as i believe the canadian one can be 240V – feed in grid and make money. Ken
Comment by Ken Brackwell — April 8, 2009 @ 11:57 am
Hi Ken,
My turbine is one of these http://www.navitron.org.uk/product_detail.php?proID=172&catID=81 a Navitron 200w/230v unit. The one your thinking of I think is one of these http://www.microhydropower.com/Stream%20Engine.htm a ‘Stream engine’ and the one that I have dealings with that looks like it is called a ‘Harris turbine’
Cheers, Paul
Comment by lifeattheendoftheroad — April 8, 2009 @ 5:18 pm
Paul, it’s a great set-up you have. I am at the other end of the country, in Devon, and I have a small project growing stuff in a polytunnel, halfway up a hill. We want to heat the tunnel over the coming months using renewables, and we only need to maintain a minimum of 8˚. So I’m deciding whether to go for a small turbine or a PV array. Your info on the Proven generating 3 phase is something I had forgotten 0 and makes me suspect if we go turbine we should think bigger than the 1.5kw I had in mind. perhaps a 5-600w solar array into 500sh batteries would do us just as well. Got to start somewhere, eh? Anyway, it’s great seeing what you’ve done, fair play. ivan
Comment by Ivan — October 7, 2009 @ 9:58 pm
Hi Ivan,
If you do have a good wind resource then that would be the way to go but you do need to be in an open windy spot with no obstructions either that or have a VERY tall mast. Much as I love solar PV it is not the answer for heating anything over the next few months, well not unless you have a really big array.
It would be worth visiting http://www.navitron.org.uk/forum/index.php for much better advice than I can give.
Good luck, Paul
Comment by lifeattheendoftheroad — October 9, 2009 @ 5:26 am
Thanks for the steer Paul. I ran a quick check on the siz array I had in mind, and got a prediction of 20kwh per month, so it does indeed seem to a be turbine that we need. I’m awaiting an anemometer to test the locations i have in mind, and then it will be a suck it and see process. Apparently our basil is starting to get mildewy spots, so I need to get cracking. Cheers, Ivan
Comment by Ivan — October 9, 2009 @ 10:18 am
Hi Ivan,
the Navitron site is a pure goldmine for info, good luck with the project.
Cheers, Paul
Comment by lifeattheendoftheroad — October 11, 2009 @ 2:35 pm
Hi Paul, I hope all is well in the wilderness. We finally had some wind today (5.1 m/s average this evening), so I’ve been looking at locations, and the best one is 270 metres from where we need the power. My research tells me that a 48v cable could lose 20% of its power to resistance over that distance, could you tell me do you think AC current would lose less? What I can do is put the batteries and inverter at the base of the tower, and go with AC from then on – there is a risk of electrocuting the odd sheep, but apart from that it seems the right way to go. Any thoughts? Thanks in advance, Ivan
Comment by Ivan — October 19, 2009 @ 7:59 pm
Hi Ivan,
I’m no expert but don’t think it makes that much difference AC or DC at low voltages, here’s the calculator that I use http://www.paul-pelletier.com/LDCalculator/LDCalculatorPage.htm. My turbine is 160 m from the inverter and I did consider going down the same route as you suggest but on balance felt that it would be better to have sensitive electronics and batteries that need regular checking in a proper shed near the house. Apart from that I see no reason why not, why not ask on the http://www.navitron.org.uk/forum/index.php forum for sage advice.
Cheers, Paul
Comment by lifeattheendoftheroad — October 19, 2009 @ 10:19 pm
hello paul. strange small world – i was browsing the navitron site and came across the raasay map and red cross. you might not remember, i visited maybe 10 years ago from plockton for one of the parties… since then, have settled a bit, built a passive solar house on the croft and am vexing on whether wind power or solar power is the best alternative. inevitably, if oyu ask or refer to a company, they recommend what they sell… i have 4.8m/s av wind, more i reckon, but also sort of like the idea of no-moving-parts of PV. I would be interested in your thoughts as a local/objective/experienced user. you seem to have had some fun experimenting with everything. hope life is good! alex
Comment by alex glasgow — February 18, 2011 @ 11:17 pm
Hi Alex,
sorry it’s taken me so long to get back to you, those were some parties hey
Much as I love wind power and my turbines I’d be inclined to go for solar PV if you’re grid tied. Even if I wasn’t grid tied I’d advise anyone who does not live in a very exposed location and is not good at fixing things to go PV
Wind is fantastic as it tends to give you the most power when you need it but it is all about ‘location location location’ and a turbine does need regular attention. PV, as you say has no moving parts and just keeps on working.
As far as wind turbine performance claims go, treat them all with a pinch of salt, whereas the PV calculators are pretty good.
Hope this helps and stay in touch, Paul
Comment by lifeattheendoftheroad — February 20, 2011 @ 6:00 pm
Hi, was just searching for some Lister SR1 diagrams to find the easiest way to remove some shims from flywheel side of engine to reduce end float and consequently reduce the knocking sound caused by too much end float. you came up in the search because you mention having an SR1 I guess. Must congratulate you on nearly getting to the point of free energy and being at the point where your trusty Lister is sitting in as back up stand by. I am aiming to get to that stage. Best Regards, Kim
Comment by Kim — July 13, 2011 @ 12:18 am
Hi Kim,
Hope you get your SR1 sorted, Ive never had to do more than a barrel and piston job plus a set of big ends insitu on a Lister so don’t know much about the ‘end float’ but normally you increase the size of the thrust washers to reduce it.
Good luck, Paul
Comment by lifeattheendoftheroad — July 13, 2011 @ 9:26 pm
Hi Paul, many thanks for your encouraging reply; yes! success all sorted out today (fired her up at 9pm this evening and sounding a lot sweater than yesterday evening!
If you ever hear of a starter ring and motor for sale second hand or the whole flywheel with starter ring for SR1 would be much obliged for an email with details. The thick solid ali air shroud has a hole for starter motor….
Cheers, Kim.
Comment by Kim — July 13, 2011 @ 10:57 pm
Hi Kim, glad you got sorted, what did you do ?? As for the flywheel they’re a bit like hens teeth with the ring gear on. That plate for the starter motor fools many people into thinking that there’s a ring gear fitted
Probably easier to find an alternator with the DC windings in like they have on the ‘Startomatics’ However, I’ll ask around and email you if I find anything. I’m assuming that you’ve come across this site http://www.listerengine.com/smf/ and this one http://www.smokstak.com/forum/
Cheers, Paul
Comment by lifeattheendoftheroad — July 14, 2011 @ 5:23 am